OK, the article is extensive discussion by using legends. What kind of a Historical swindler are you? Identity thieves indeed. Y’all see the ignorance and hypocrisies.? Public domain via Wikimedia Commons. So to say that she was part Egyptian but not black is a contradiction. I’m very surprised by the old, racist 1/8th rule being referenced by many of the proud African Americans as it is a white, racist tool used to rob people of their freedom and served to marginalize and devalue many. Oh well, we still got the Motherland and pyramids. Required fields are marked *. Afro-american revisionists nowadays (and a lot of other revisionist groups) go to great lenghts to project the blackness of a couple of figures. Duane W. Roller. Blurring the distinction between Macedonians and ex-Yugoslavs intentionally, erodes Western Civil Societies common understandings of shared common heritage…this is the first step towards crumbling the foundations Western Civilization was grounded on – a provocative anti-Western act! Cleopatra’s full name was Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator. House fails to pass measure to increase stimulus checks to $2,000 Whenever Athens had no use for the Macedonians, she considered them as barbarous as other tribal people north of Thessaly. Plot twist- Cleopatra was nor Greek, nor Macedonian, nor Black African, nor Egyptian, nor Macedonian Greek (whatever that is). [31] The black Cleopatra claim, Lefkowitz continues, was further revived in an essay written by afrocentrist John Henrik Clarke, chair of African history at Hunter College, entitled "African Warrior Queens" for "Black Women in Antiquity. People would be outraged. For me that means that Cleopatra is also of Berber descent, which can explain her appereance. Black is not a race/ethnicity. Summary: Cleopatra Mwansa's birthday is 01/21/1983 and is 37 years old. It shouldn’t be hard to figure that Cleopatra was Greek because history has proven that. Cleopatra Spoke Egyptian. Original invaded by African Vikings the original Vikings!!! Cleopatra’s territory extended all the way to the Israeli city of Jericho, where Mark Antony had succeeded in seizing territory for her. Our Privacy Policy sets out how Oxford University Press handles your personal information, and your rights to object to your personal information being used for marketing to you or being processed as part of our business activities. Even I get a little frisson from knowing that Elizabeth I was a redhead like me. She was Albanian .they’re was no such thing as Greece or Macedonian back then. Coptic Egyptians in particular can trace a direct lineage to the Ancients, linguisticly and culturally. So if you mix olive skinned with African than you’re looking at someone that was a person of color. Whoever wrote this haven’t study history that well sorry not sorry. It could settle once and for all what she looked like and what her ethnic background really was. it matters if you believe in facts and historical accuracy. She was born in Wentworth Falls, Sydney, and grew up in Byron Bay, a famous surfing town. PERIOD. Will Smith played I am Legend who in the book is white. [2][3] For example, the article "Was Cleopatra Black?" On the other hand, given that history and archaeology have been mobilized by both sides, this debate does raise an interesting question: what do we really know about the ethnic background of the ostensibly beautiful Cleopatra and of the ancient Egyptians in general? Even the American history and it’s characters have been distorted and it’s not as old as Epypt and Cleopatra. He runs into dead ends everywhere and then states, “Its probably she had Egyptian blood.” Probable based on what? But some articles have much effort to show particularly Cleopatra as a complete executive of Greek culture and institution; in general aggrandize the Greek civilization. White people are always seen as default, when that is not the case. But what about the mothers? With the inbreeding, Cleopatras Persian heritage is justified to its quantity, she was a quarter to this Theory and looks very much like it. You’re implying that she could not have had “black” ancestry under this scenario because her father married a woman of status (not a slave or concubine). You’ll find out. Three years later she seduced Julius Caesar, bearing him a son, Caesarion. Also, check out the BBC’s findings: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/also_in_the_news/7945333.stm. So, when in doubt, the race of the individual defaults to White. ... Twitter users had assumed the announcement was another case of Hollywood directors casting white woman for ethnic roles. Mostly in college, but I’ve faced it in my job and in my own neighborhood. Racial profiling and manipulation have been around for a very long time. According to thermodynamics hot can become cold but cold can’t become hot and the statement by a philosopher that says by reasoning of infinite regression things return to its natural state. Please stop it, this stuff shouldn’t matter because history is pointless when you’re trying to pay your bills and take care of your family. As a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, she was a descendant of its founder Ptolemy I Soter, a Macedonian Greek general and companion of Alexander the Great. real history… (Strange). Why the natural default to White? Sub Saharan Africans have little to nothing to do with Northern Africa. Egypt is on the African Continent. The Greek character having formed over millennia, can be summarized as being multi-layered and multifaceted. Oh, sidebar, Jesus wasn’t white or black – he was brown. The whitewashing debate isn’t about encouraging incredibly geographically prescriptive casting; it’s not about finding an actor of Greek/Macedonian descent if we … . Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek. You can barely stay in the Sun for an hour without burning up. of Ohio is dumb and providing you with “white privilege”. Cleopatra was the daughter of Pharaoh Ptolemy XII, and she succeeded him as queen in 51 BC. My people are Native American, and just as America was stolen from us and inhabited by the white man, which eventually evolved mixing of blood, the same occurred in Egypt. I have noticed that race never seems to matter when a noted individual is deemed an ethnicity other than White. [77] As noted by Donald R. Dudley, Cleopatra and her family were "the successor[s] to the native Pharaohs, exploiting through a highly organized bureaucracy the great natural resources of the Nile Valley. a Troglodyte? A white man can easily find hundreds of great white men in the history books. most of the classic greek civilization resides nowadays in greece/hellas FYROM and … turkey. Is a ‘classic’ light skinned Egyptian a ‘person of color’? Did they just magically appear within the last 5000 years to rule the earth and distort history? If indeed Kleopatra was of partly Egyptian descent through her mother, the Berlin sculpture would have served to emphasize her Macedonian-Greek blood and her right to rule as a Ptolemy. Egypt was and is a African country. What, can’t take the fact that this great woman could possibly be black? Cleopatras sisters tomb was found and dna taken…they were definitely more African than Greek! They even participated in the Olympics, a place where ONLY Hellenes (Greeks) could participate. I am bewildered by the amount of uneducated posts on this site. I think this goes to the heart of why your tone and conclusions are so offensive to people. We live in world of universal Eurocentric dogma. Cleopatra was a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty and the language of the Ptolemaic Pharaohs was Greek, not Egyptian. Seems like she was 1/4 black If anything pers call her mixed and stop Being racist on both sides.the history now thinks most ancient egyptians were super tall red heads and blondes so she coulda had a bit of white,black,and greek . She’s whatever i want her to be. Summary: Currently, Cleopatra lives in Bronx, NY. It’s fine to outline what we know about Cleopatra’s ethnic history, but leave it at that. African American phenotype run the gamut and includes 3.5% of white American demographics (passing). Egypt was conquered by Alexander the Greek! TO SUGGEST THAT BLACKS WERE ONLY SLAVES BACK THEN WOULD BE RACIAL. Next, you spent upwards of 85% of your article discussing race yet kept emphasizing (when you could a word-in edgewise ‘around yourself’ mind you, that the article wasn’t about race). [33], In response to the book Not Out of Africa by Lefkowitz, Molefi Kete Asante, Professor of African American Studies at Temple University wrote the article "Race in Antiquity: Truly Out of Africa", in which he emphasized that he "can say without a doubt that Afrocentrists do not spend time arguing that either Socrates or Cleopatra were black. The casting nonetheless stirred up negative reactions on Twitter, sparking a debate on the queen's background. There was no need for legitimizing propaganda in that case. Many are lead to believe that we cannot be strong or smart as a white person, because we’ve never been represented as such. [35][45][46], Posthumous portraits include a fresco of Pompeii's House of Giuseppe II depicting her possible suicide by poisoning,[37] a painted portrait in Pompeii's House of the Orchard showing a side view of her diademed bust, and a highly similar fresco from nearby Herculaneum, the latter which matches the visage of her sculptures and official coinage. It’s a wonder Gal Gadot has finally responded to backlash about playing Cleopatra. That makes no sense. The current racial makeup of Egypt is a result of mixing between native Egyptians and European colonizers, so if you are saying Egyptian to mean native Egyptians prior to this racial mixing, then you are talking about black Africans. Dark almond shaped eyes and fine face structure, nothing Greek or Roman about that. Certainly it was no more than half, and probably less. Yet the geographer Strabo (one of the few contemporary sources for the life of Cleopatra) wrote that all the wives of her father were women of significant status, which rules out any slaves or concubines, and makes it possible that Cleopatra’s mother was of the traditional Macedonian Greek stock. My wonderful father TAUGHT me Black history because it wasn’t taught in the schools. A contemporaneous depiction from Pompeii's House of Marcus Fabius Rufus depicts the queen as the goddess Venus Genetrix holding a cupid in her arms, ostensibly a rare depiction of her son Caesarion who was fathered by the Roman dictator Julius Caesar. In England and Wales, there are 18 ethnic groups recommended for use by the government when asking for someone’s ethnicity. this is the underlying point of this article to demonstrate truth with available facts (relevant and according to the time it occurred). I have seen many non-Caucasians being bullied just because of the colour of their skin, but never a Caucasian. I’ll tell you- she was half black as was Mansfield, Carol Channing, and so many others. Most people would consider Greek peoples as being Mediterranean first and foremost, but there is more. You people are notorious for trying to take my ancestors great achievements and over shadow them with ridiculous conclusions based on non circumstantial evidence. Any real historian, or scholar of any sort, is interested in knowing about the subjects of his or her discipline in entirety, not just what they accomplished. The Complete Royal Families of Ancient Egypt. Cleopatra. While Cleopatra was born in Egypt, she traced her family origins to Macedonian Greece and Ptolemy I Soter, one of Alexander the Greats generals. "[86], harvtxt error: multiple targets (3×): CITEREFRoller2010 (, sfnp error: multiple targets (3×): CITEREFRoller2010 (. Rogerscalled "World's Great Men of Color." I find it interesting that when white women are always celebrated in this racist country, and the mere fact that Cleopatra was black and considered the most beautiful woman,leaves a bitter taste in the mouths of a biased European society. [57] Diana Preston comes to a similar conclusion about native Egyptian depictions of Cleopatra: "Apart from certain temple carvings, which are anyway in a highly stylised pharaonic style and give little clue to Cleopatra's real appearance, the only certain representations of Cleopatra are those on coins. But it also includes many other people. If you knew history like you claimed ,you would know almost every race was enslaved, @ some point. As far as I know there is no evidence whatsoever for Cleopatra’s skin color. Your idea about race not mattering is true. Greek immigration was massive (the sea tribes) to egipt after the golfen age of the pharaos … and this whitish population has nothing in common with anglo or scandinavian whiteness (pale skin that doesnt tan) and in fact mediterraneans are essentially identical now matter how tanned the individual is. [50], In his Kleopatra und die Caesaren (2006), Bernard Andreae [de] contends that this Egyptian basalt statue is like other idealized Egyptian portraits of the queen, and does not contain realistic facial features and hence adds little to the knowledge of Cleopatra's appearance. 'I'm going to say this once and I'm not going to say it again, Cleopatra was Greek. But it all helps mold our decisions and how we’re allowed to move through life. Dr. Bennett also points out the confusing nature of the material, and reminded me of another theory, that Cleopatra’s mother was actually the wife of her father, which probably would reduce non-Macedonian ancestry even more. So people, next time do not forget the history of North-Africa because until today Cleopatra’s history and legacy still stand there. Until further evidence comes to prove her ethnicity one way or the other, she was the last EGYPTIAN queen and therefore shouldn’t be portrayed as a Caucasian-skinned woman. Background details that you might want to know about Cleopatra include: ethnicity is unknown, whose political affiliation is currently a registered Democrat; and religious views are listed as unknown. Now as for Whitewashing, Jesus is another example. Cleopatra was of Macedonian descent and had little, if any, Egyptian blood, although the Classical author Plutarch wrote that she alone of her house took the trouble to learn Egyptian and, for political reasons, styled herself as the new Isis, a title that distinguished her from the earlier Ptolemaic queen Cleopatra III, who had also claimed to be the living embodiment of the goddess Isis. People from the Republic of “Macedonia” attempted to steal this ethnic heritage themselves, even though they are in fact Slavs with no genetic or ethnic relationship to the ancient Macedonian. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. What surprises me is not the fact that Cleopatra could have been Macedonian Greek (I’m not arguing that – it seems logical) but rather the way so many people are quick to point out the faults of others with a scholarly background. She is the daughter of Turquoise and Mick Coleman. It seems…as I read this…the author is truly stuck on the notion of proving that Cleopatra was not black…the question has always been was she White, Black, Greek or Egyptian …when I hear that question I laugh because as a Black woman I reminisce on my life and how I was always taught about Egypt as if it existed on its on axis or something when In fact Eygpt is African…and how the powers that be have tried to separate Egypt from Africa. The first law of thermo dynamics is that the hotter can go to the colder but the colder can not go to the hotter. – The Winds of War: History, Academia, and Current Affairs, Are Angelina Jolie and Lady Gaga fit for the Role of Cleopatra? Other attempts to identify certain Egyptian statues as Kleopatra VII based on style carry little weight as there are not enough Ptolemaic royal statues which have survived nor known find spots to indicate any sort of stylistic development. On the fact that you dont know who 1/6 of her fathers concubines was? Including Egypt’s position with the equator, they would be tanned af. and no known Egyptian wife of a Ptolemaic king. If race didn’t mean anything then why does people of color get there history wiped over and there accomplishments overshadowed by white people and they get all the credit and I’m not jealous but it seems that when something great happened we were depicted as village roomers! A little untrue isn’t it? Cleopatra – http://www.behindthename.com/name/cleopatra. Racial discrimination is still a problem in this day and age. It does because that statement says they are lying and withholding the truth. The main problems in establishing her exact background are that her tomb has never been found and her mother is unknown. Octavian, the future Augustus and Caesar’s heir, would have been foolish to ignore this. Cleopatra fans are waiting for the tomb – and a mummy – to be found as well. For years society has always ‘white washed’ history. Yet among her many accomplishments, and arguably the one for which she is most commonly known, was her great beauty and, relevant to Mr. Roller’s perspective, her ability to use that beauty as a tool to manipulate powerful figures like Julius Caesar. Lefkowitz refutes Rogers' hypothesis, on various scholar… The Greek Character is multi-layered and multifaceted, drawing in embedded experiences from five different geographical locations. Interesting article, although I too contest the use of the phrase “Macedonian Greek”, although unlike my two learned friends above, I am not motivated by CONTEMPORARY POLITICS (viz. I don’t consider them white and they are not usually west African black. But the argument about whether she was black, like the argument about whether Macedonians were Greeks, is about _modern_ politics. "[72], Adrian Goldsworthy notes Cleopatra, having Macedonian blood with a little Syrian, was probably not dark skinned (he also notes Roman propaganda never mentions it), contending "fairer skin is marginally more likely considering her ancestry," and that she "was no more Egyptian culturally or ethnically than most residents of modern day Arizona are Apaches. Let’s respct that until we can know more about her descending…, Whom ever wrote this article needs a refund of their historical education. "[16] Grant also proposes that Cleopatra's paternal grandmother may have been mixed Syrian and Greek, in line with the precedent of Persian and Syrian blood in the Ptolemaic line, and continues that "certainly she was not an Egyptian," noting there is only one known Egyptian mistress of a Ptolemy (from the 3rd century BCE). He goes onto say outside the hypothesis of Cleopatra being three-quarters Macedonian Greek and a quarter Egyptian, there is "no room for anything else, certainly not for any black African blood." But in case you have lived under a rock, by the standards of your own people…one drop of Black African Negroid Blood makes you Negro! He was from Isreal. How dare race be an issue in representing a truth as long as whiteness is plastered all over it?! Western Culture is worth preserving…without it, what do we have, but competing causes trying to erode it! 1. relating to a particular race of people: 2. from a different race, or interesting because…: Vedi di più ancora nel dizionario Inglese - Cambridge Dictionary Cleopatra’s father also had several wives. Confusing Paeonia for Macedonia and mistaking ex-Yugoslavs for Macedonians intentionally, are anti-Hellenic acts, anti-Western by extension. “We, the undersigned scholars of Graeco-Roman antiquity, respectfully request that you intervene to clean up some of the historical debris left in southeast Europe by the previous U.S. administration.”, “On November 4, 2004, two days after the re-election of President George W. Bush, his administration unilaterally recognized the “Republic of Macedonia.” This action not only abrogated geographic and historic fact, but it also has unleashed a dangerous epidemic of historical revisionism, of which the most obvious symptom is the misappropriation by the government in Skopje of the most famous of Macedonians, Alexander the Great.”, http://macedonia-evidence.org/obama-letter.html. If it didn’t matter then why lie and fabricate the facts? Afrocentrism isn’t old enough or accepted without dispute or revile to be dogmatic. This professor is a clown. Doesn’t make very much sense to the average person but you can keep hanging on to your false hopes. Although there really is no evidence for Cleopatra’s skin colour we do know that her father, (and the rest of the Ptolemy line) Ptolemy XII, is Greek Hellenistic so Cleopatra must have Greek bloodlines. Was this because somehow her mother was not her father’s wife but perhaps a native Egyptian concubine (as native Egyptians at that time were treated like the Irish were and would not have been of high status), or a daughter of a merchant, etc? But to class them as “Greek” themselves would be erroneous in my opinion. Just look at things from our point of view: how would you like it if BLACK historians and film makers were to SERIOUSLY rewrite history by writing books and making films where a Black woman was portraying Queen Elizabeth 1? I believe I know the answer. Now for the second: Egypt is a country in the continent of Africa. Her … To make matters even better they even have a picture of what they believed she even looked like in real life. Keep that in mind. Queen Nefertiti. "[70], Grant states that Cleopatra probably had not a drop of Egyptian blood and that she "would have described herself as Greek. The founder of the Ptolemaic dynasty was one of Alexander the Great’s generals. 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